Subject	good luck Jon
Posted by	aliaZ on February 15, 2007 at 4:56 PM
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In Reply To	Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... posted by i-xclr8 on February 15, 2007 at 04:01 PM
Message	Personally, I think flowbenches are a lousy way to measure manifold performance because it only measures steady state flow. Unfortunately, this is the only commonly available tool we have. Pulse management is key, and that is where log style manifolds suffer. However, having too larger of a "collector" can hinder performance as well.
Follow Ups	Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... - i-xclr8 16:01:56 02/15/07 my only issue with you is the 'tude you gave me - Adam (NoVA) 16:08:40 02/15/07 OMG - bluetorch motorsports 18:38:48 02/15/07 so what are you doing now? (n/m) - TTFairladyZ 21:51:51 02/15/07 Good luck in making a new design that will actually outflow - Guapo 16:09:39 02/15/07 I think they are both great designs and good job to you both - collegeboy 16:14:24 02/15/07 :TissueForU: (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:23:08 02/15/07 Re: :TissueForU: - Dave N 16:29:41 02/15/07 Re: Re: :TissueForU: - Spongerider :) 16:49:22 02/15/07 Grow up. (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 17:03:43 02/15/07 I applaud your efforts to be innovative and think - AzHeat 16:35:49 02/15/07 Re: Re: AAE outperforming MSP exhaust manifolds.... - hawaii2z 16:49:46 02/15/07 (Total Hits: 804) - Spongerider :) 17:03:53 02/15/07 Do you ammuse yourself with your "Total Hits" responses? - AzHeat 17:19:12 02/15/07 You are irrelevant. Read this - Spongerider :) 17:22:23 02/15/07 And you are relevant how???? (n/m) - AzHeat 18:03:14 02/15/07 Keep it up you're doing a fine job. - Spongerider :) 18:20:09 02/15/07 Can't answer the question of your relevance, figures (n/m) - AzHeat 18:24:44 02/15/07 How is the oil pan coming? (n/m) - Broke_as_**** 19:48:18 02/15/07 Group buy anyone? (n/m) - ENVYMYZ 20:43:26 02/15/07 You can laugh all you want. At least I am taking it - AzHeat 20:48:52 02/15/07 "Talk is cheap." As is your oil pan. (n/m) - jmoore010 20:52:26 02/15/07 book marked your post for future reference Thanks. (n/m) - AzHeat 21:12:44 02/15/07 lol (n/m) - jmoore010 23:13:57 02/15/07 FYI - ENVYMYZ 01:20:14 02/16/07 well fyi - AzHeat 09:05:44 02/16/07 FYI - ENVYMYZ 09:25:30 02/16/07 What to prove? - AzHeat 11:11:26 02/16/07 coming along great. I will post when it is ready. (n/m) - AzHeat 20:44:14 02/15/07 :shrug: - Spongerider :) 01:59:41 02/16/07 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. (n/m) - Red Baron Z 21:00:00 02/15/07 Re: 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. - Spongerider :) 01:23:21 02/16/07 Re: Re: 2nd. its only funny the first 3 times. - Red Baron Z 07:09:23 02/16/07 LoL! - Spongerider :) 11:15:20 02/16/07 RoFL! - Red Baron Z 18:20:07 02/16/07 Over 2 non threatening words, LOL! - Spongerider :) 22:59:51 02/16/07 Get something new to post. Total hits= "LAME". - Red Baron Z 23:35:46 02/16/07 indeed.. - Spongerider :) 15:03:10 02/17/07 Not traumatised, Just bore..think of it like chewin a piece - Red Baron Z 00:24:54 02/18/07 good luck Jon - aliaZ 16:56:47 02/15/07 There is room for debate on this subject given that not - Ash's Z 17:21:32 02/15/07 minor correction - joe (nova) posted the chart (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 18:07:38 02/15/07 you answered several questions i had >> - ztunerz 18:23:06 02/15/07 I could have tested what the collector flowed with all - Ash's Z 19:01:07 02/15/07 your 1st point>>> - ztunerz 19:22:10 02/15/07 addendum >> - ztunerz 19:35:59 02/15/07 Re: addendum >> - Ash's Z 19:55:36 02/15/07 read that - agreed but that dosn't explain why all - ztunerz 20:00:38 02/15/07 That all depends on the applicaiton. In our case, only - Ash's Z 20:04:51 02/15/07 seen the same thing in Grand nationals and turbo nsx - ztunerz 20:17:18 02/15/07 Well, technically the collector port is larger on our - Ash's Z 20:22:22 02/15/07 The pulses themselves move at the speed of sound. - Ash's Z 19:45:14 02/15/07 Air moving at the speed of sound would cause a sonic >> - ztunerz 19:47:48 02/15/07 No, I'm referring to the pulses which you are refering to. - Ash's Z 19:53:40 02/15/07 so the gasses are still there right ? - ztunerz 19:57:52 02/15/07 Well, I'm meaning what I'm saying - I'm not mistyping - Ash's Z 20:03:30 02/15/07 i am talking about whatever is flowing thru the runners - ztunerz 20:19:55 02/15/07 So you are actually referring to the pressure in the - Ash's Z 20:32:24 02/15/07 ok i think i get what you saying - ztunerz 20:42:47 02/15/07 EGT is mostly a function of mixture and timing, so I - Ash's Z 21:10:26 02/15/07 You are forgetting load and back pressure. (n/m) - AzHeat 11:22:24 02/16/07 maybe but i have observed >> - ztunerz 14:59:35 02/16/07 In this case, he's actually correct. - ni[X]it 19:56:41 02/15/07 So the gasses are moving at the speed of sound ? (n/m) - ztunerz 19:58:57 02/15/07 No, the pulses are moving through the gases at the speed - Ash's Z 08:34:21 02/16/07 your second point >>>> - ztunerz 19:29:58 02/15/07 You are forgetting that only one cylidner is moving air - Ash's Z 19:50:50 02/15/07 I am not forgetting - i am disagreeing - ztunerz 19:54:59 02/15/07 Which is OK, but you're almost disagreeing with gravity. :) - Ash's Z 20:00:55 02/15/07 so you are saying that if we had a inch sq runner - ztunerz 20:23:23 02/15/07 I would certainly agree with that. Are you really - Ash's Z 20:38:19 02/15/07 I'm not sure if its flawed or not >>>> - ztunerz 20:49:21 02/15/07 Gotcha. Looking closer at Jon's design, you can see that - Ash's Z 21:22:21 02/15/07 Ash you are forgetting that pulses get stacked - AzHeat 21:22:34 02/15/07 Pulses dont get stacked. Here's the math on that: - Ash's Z 21:39:53 02/15/07 Nice :) (n/m) - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 11:27:20 02/16/07 You are right: there is more room for debate..... - i-xclr8 18:39:28 02/15/07 Keep in mind that any testing against the MS manifolds at - YugoBernie (NoVA) 18:43:55 02/15/07 Ah, Bernie beating me to it as usual =) (n/m) - SeedyROM 19:15:44 02/15/07 He has a hell of a lot of pcs in production and sold already - ztunerz 19:51:30 02/15/07 Re: You are right: there is more room for debate..... - ni[X]it 18:57:28 02/15/07 2nd. Its hard to say difinitively what it too big... - CaliguyPurdue (redesigning) 19:32:49 02/15/07 Yeah, I'm with Alias too. (n/m) - Snoguitar 22:29:49 02/15/07 Flow testing the collector is virtually meaningless given - Ash's Z 19:18:46 02/15/07 Despite your post title, I'll be buying the MS ones, thanks. - SeedyROM 19:12:39 02/15/07 >> - ztunerz 19:46:11 02/15/07 Right, that's exactly my point - SeedyROM 19:59:24 02/15/07 Fair enough - rude is not right >> - ztunerz 20:12:33 02/15/07 I'm allowed to be skeptical (perhaps even rude), - Guapo 20:22:34 02/15/07 Everyone is "allowed" to be anything they want to be :) (n/m) - ztunerz 15:00:56 02/16/07 So when you buy gas for your car do you care that - AzHeat 20:53:40 02/15/07 Re: So when you buy gas for your car do you care that - xtensive 21:11:46 02/15/07 okay that was a bad example. Point taken. (n/m) - AzHeat 21:25:54 02/15/07 If the same guy cursing me is the same one handling - SeedyROM 02:56:41 02/16/07 who said anything about cursing? Was AAE cursing - AzHeat 08:50:05 02/16/07 LOL, you must not be around much anymore - SeedyROM 10:24:07 02/16/07 Re: LOL, you must not be around much anymore - AzHeat 10:47:54 02/16/07 2nd - Adam (NoVA) 22:13:21 02/15/07 Not a problem Jon.. Keep me updated with all your projects! - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 19:59:43 02/15/07 Interesting "project" - Bigwill837 20:59:25 02/15/07 Jason? (n/m) - Adam (NoVA) 00:23:50 02/16/07 Ive read all the links and honestly.... - tyler@boostpro.net 21:10:05 02/15/07 2nd (n/m) - AzHeat 21:29:13 02/15/07 Re: Ive read all the links and honestly.... - ouikikazz 22:04:16 02/15/07 3rd - blackZpremacy 22:17:55 02/15/07 There's room enough for those that settle - SeedyROM 02:53:56 02/16/07 4th. Moreover, I have spoken with Jon several times - cherry 10:30:02 02/16/07 how are MS being revised? (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 14:38:24 02/16/07 they're not (n/m) - aliaZ 20:52:57 02/16/07 Re: All in all, i dont think its worth slinging shit back an - Twainsville 14:54:39 02/16/07 Umm thanks but Im COMPLETELY happy with my msp manis (n/m) - EricTTZ 21:54:14 02/15/07 first in last out - Oppaman Z 22:04:00 02/15/07 how much does port matching ussually run? (n/m) - SpecNATT (Houston) 14:45:24 02/16/07 do it yourself.. - Kong ZTT GT28RS MD 20:25:24 02/16/07
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